The Universe Is Not Locally Real, and the Physics Nobel Prize Winners Proved It

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Elegant experiments with entangled light have laid bare a profound mystery at the heart of realityOne of the more unsettling discoveries in the past half century is that the universe is not locally real. “Real,” meaning that objects have definite properties independent of observation—an apple can be red even when no one is looking; “local” means objects can only be influenced by their surroundings, and that any influence cannot travel faster than light. Investigations at the frontiers of quantum physics have found that these things cannot both be true. Instead, the evidence shows objects are not influenced solely by their surroundings and they may also lack definite properties prior to measurement. As Albert Einstein famously bemoaned to a friend, “Do you really believe the moon is not there when you are not looking at it?”

This is, of course, deeply contrary to our everyday experiences. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, the demise of local realism has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Blame for this achievement has now been laid squarely on the shoulders of three physicists: John Clauser, Alain Aspect and Anton Zeilinger. They equally split the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics “for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science.” (“Bell inequalities” refers to the pioneering work of the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell, who laid the foundations for this year’s Physics Nobel in the early 1960s.) Colleagues agreed that the trio had it coming, deserving this reckoning for overthrowing reality as we know it. “It is fantastic news. It was long overdue,” says Sandu Popescu, a quantum physicist at the University of Bristol. “Without any doubt, the prize is well-deserved.”

“The experiments beginning with the earliest one of Clauser and continuing along, show that this stuff isn’t just philosophical, it’s real—and like other real things, potentially useful,” says Charles Bennett, an eminent quantum researcher at IBM.

“Each year I thought, ‘oh, maybe this is the year,’” says David Kaiser, a physicist and historian at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “This year, it really was. It was very emotional—and very thrilling.”

Full link: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/

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hey z! havent seen you in a while . interesting article. I always found the universe fascinating but kind of agree with this interpretation of it. everything is based on OUR perception of things. it may or may not be “real”

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Hi Sky! Hope you are doing good!

I would venture out and say you are probably familiar with the famous quantum mechanics Schrodinger’s Cat thought experiment, where the cat is considered simultaneously both dead and alive until observed (measured) by an active participant. Up until today this sparked heavy debate in the scientific community, and mostly relegated quantum mechanics to the realm of philosophy, a nice little thought experiment that is.

What this new advance mentioned in the article mostly does, is finally put an end to the speculation, finally laying a solid framework for the advancements of quantum mechanics and our understanding of the universe. Schrodinger’s Cat is either alive or dead, with or without the need of an active observer, as if the universe was observing itself.

Simply put, everything that happened, is happening, and will happen is already contained within the universe at the same time.

Yeah I can’t wrap my mind around it neither. Lol.

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yes, I have read up on it and know what you are talking about. that will be a debate until the end of time. it’s kind of like a string theory type of thing IN A WAY, but not string theory. time is all in the universe. everything we do may have already been “done”. it’s a very whacky thought and it is hard to wrap your head around it, you are right.

there is so much to think about. all of this fascinates me

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we all could be in a simulation or some type of other thing and never ever know it. there are lots of questions out there that will never have answers . everything could be an illusion. the only reality we know is our immediate happening in the now

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‘could be’ ‘might be’ ‘possibly’

*YAAAWWWWNNNNNNN*

every question has many answers, and if you actually use your muscle testing aka biofeedback, you can discern the highest consciousness answer with ease

but obviously this site is much more intended for mental masturbation about what ‘might be’ instead of acknowledging the full truth about what actually is

which is why the main user base are mostly jackoffs

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So you keep telling us - so why do you desperately feel the need to keep returning in the vain hope that someone, anyone, will confirm your delusions of grandeur?

“masturbation”? Are you that unimaginative that you’re unable to think of an original insult?

You sound like the dim school boy who responds with “No I’m not! You are!” [The wanker, he protesteth too much]

You are the habitual masturbator with your “muscle testing” or whatever the fuck you call autoerotic asphyxia and your delusions of grandeur.

You’re one of the biggest wankers that I’ve ever encountered on forums.

That’s exactly why no one here is interested in your mental onanism or your masturbation techniques.

Maybe you’d have better luck joining a gay forum. Generally speaking gays aren’t the least bit fussy so I’m sure they’d make you feel welcome.

In the meantime, excessive masturbation is rotting your brain; why don’t you go outside and get some fresh air?

Go and play with the traffic?

There are other activities apart from . . . .

z-internet tough guy wow or porn.jpg Kan in his mothers basement.

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if you dont like it, why do you keep coming back…

leave us alone

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hey @Zireael what are your thoughts on it all?

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I can’t elaborate much on the physics related aspect of the situation, as the theory and mathematics behind are incredibly complex and way above my pay grade.

You can refer to my Schrodinger’s Cat analogy I used in my previous reply to you.

The double-slit experiment conducted at the very beginning of the 19th century posited that the cat was simultaneously dead and alive until an observation (or in scientific terms, a measurement) was done. Matter (or in the case of double-slit experiment, light itself) existed in a state of probabilities (wave) until it unfolded as a solid (real) particle. That was the birth of Quantum Mechanics. An enormous contrast from Classical Physics, which state that all matter is composed of solid atoms. Newtonian (Classical) physics is the study of the physics of the atom, Quantum Physics is the study of the sub-atomic realm.

Per Google: In physics, a quantum (plural quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity (physical property) involved in an interaction. The fundamental notion that a physical property can be “quantized” is referred to as “the hypothesis of quantization”

The implications were astounding. Quantum Mechanics gave birth to a whole new avenue of philosophical thought, from which stems most of the new age philosophy that gained traction these past two centuries. If a tree falls in the wood and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? That’s the famous thought experiment! But don’t answer so quick, we’ll get back to it later.

However, the results of the double-slit experiment were noted as highly inconsistent when replicated in laboratories over time, almost seemingly completely random. There was simply no way to elucidate what was the exact role the observer was playing in this final equation.

Here comes the expression ‘‘Locally real’’ as used in the article.

In scientific terms, as per the article: ‘‘Real’’, meaning that objects have definite properties independent of observation—an apple can be red even when no one is looking; “local” means objects can only be influenced by their surroundings, and that any influence cannot travel faster than light.

In laymen terms, from a philosophical perspective: ‘‘The universe is not locally real’’ means the universe is an objective reality, which the observer as no influence over.

So if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Now Quantum Mechanics is there to prove it, it absolutely does!

There are two major conclusions I can derive from such observations:

First: Matter (and by extension, the universe itself) has its own intelligence, its own consciousness, and thus, is observing itself.

Second: Everything is preordained, hence the phrase: Everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen is contained within the universe (matter) at the same time.

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[QUOTE]There are two major conclusions I can derive from such observations:

First: Matter (and by extension, the universe itself) has its own intelligence, its own consciousness, and thus, is observing itself.

Second: Everything is preordained, hence the phrase: Everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen is contained within the universe (matter) at the same time. [/QUOTE]

^^^^ Precisely! NOT Real, which begs the question..what is real? Neither time nor space are tangible in the dream state..is this reality?

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[quote=“u”]

^^^^ Precisely! NOT Real, which begs the question..what is real? Neither time nor space are tangible in the dream state..is this reality?[/quote]

Of course, there are indeed many layers to said reality, with physical sciences merely being the study of a single aspect of its essence.

Now you’re just opening a completely different can of worms, which remains of absolute pertinence as pertaining to the current discussion.

Feel free to go ahead and elaborate on your thoughts.

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Thanks for the invitation, the case for reality is such that it remains esoteric, being that most consider this mundane dimension as being ‘real’. That supposition clouds conjecture and distorts the analysis. Point being, how many realities exist? Realities can be considered as dimensions and we realize the limitations of a flat plane where the z axis simply does not exist for the flatlander and height has no meaning.

In the dream state, there is no limitation in either space or time. No distance is too great, no walls can contain the traveler. Freedom reigns and movement is unlimited, at least within the manifestations of the mind/spirit. The Star Trek transporter is real in the astral.

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Well put, Ferret. I do believe dreams are other realities in a sense. and the only time we can access them is by being in that low power state.

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[quote=“u”]Thanks for the invitation, the case for reality is such that it remains esoteric, being that most consider this mundane dimension as being ‘real’. That supposition clouds conjecture and distorts the analysis. Point being, how many realities exist? Realities can be considered as dimensions and we realize the limitations of a flat plane where the z axis simply does not exist for the flatlander and height has no meaning.

In the dream state, there is no limitation in either space or time. No distance is too great, no walls can contain the traveler. Freedom reigns and movement is unlimited, at least within the manifestations of the mind/spirit. The Star Trek transporter is real in the astral.[/quote]

Thank you for your response.

That is indeed one of the weaker points of science and academia, that pesky little habit of categorizing and putting everything into separate boxes.

Something about not seeing the forest for the trees.

However, the very principle of entanglement (instant communication over infinite distances) tells us how everything is connected.

There is no such thing as separate dimensions (realities). You exist and operate in any and all dimensions at all times. If you are operating in the physical, then you are operating in the astral, and vice versa. If you can assimilate this truth, then more power to you!

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Thank you Sky, one thing for certain, dreams are individual and depict both our fears and our hopes. They can be both frightening and uplifting, the state of mind and body has implications, like being stressed or under pressure, physically sick or suffering some ailment..all of which can trigger psychic excursions while asleep. Daydreams on the other hand are often due to boredom and a yearning for better times.

[QUOTE username=Zireael userid=8537022 postid=1333672622]

Thank you for your response.

That is indeed one of the weaker points of science and academia, that pesky little habit of categorizing and putting everything into separate boxes.

Something about not seeing the forest for the trees.

However, the very principle of entanglement (instant communication over infinite distances) tells us how everything is connected.

There is no such thing as separate dimensions (realities). You exist and operate in any and all dimensions at all times. If you are operating in the physical, then you are operating in the astral, and vice versa. If you can assimilate this truth, then more power to you![/QUOTE]

Strange as it may seem and certainly aligning with the quantum field, I both concur and refute you reply. The trees are blocking the view and the forest is way off in the distance from where I stand. Limited viewing platform in addition to the fog. I fail to see the carbon atoms in my hand even through my x1000 microscope. Uncertainty abounds.

Yet everything is connected, by the dimension itself, all wrapped up in the cosmic soup and then some (time). Entanglement is instantaneous, regardless of the construct ‘distance’ as the distance is infinitesimally small when time is absent..which is the definition of instantaneous cause and effect or to quote the famous mathematician Einstein, spooky action at a distance.