I havenāt watched the video but, be assured, the Galactic Federation will feature prominently in that deceptive scenario, if they get it right.
you believe in aliens and that they have/do interact with us, so your take is going to be different
this talk is about the relationship between Raelians (started by Jews) and Zionists and a top astronomer Iāve heard many times interviewed.
who knows if it can happen but there are some worthwhile tidbits of info, like I did not know Nation of Islam is big on aliens.
āThe biggest and fastest growing religion right now is ufologyā Huh?
āReligion. The belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or Gods.ā
Sure, people are starting to wake up to the fact that we are not alone in the Universe but that hardly qualifies that interest as a religion.
Thank goodness that he uttered such nonsense early on in the vid because it saved me 10 minutes that I wouldnāt get back.
This is the kind of bullshit thatās sprouted by Evangelical Baptists [According to that self-confessed bald faced liar Saul/Paul, itās perfectly acceptable, honourable even, to bullshit for the Lord to āfurther Gods gloryā - Rom 3:7]
He then goes on to exclaim that that cesspit of evil, the Vatican, is fighting the good fight against the anti-Christ when in fact it is the Vatican itself who is in league with the Satanic WEF globalists.
No disrespect intended towards you Tree but this bloke is either a complete and utter moron or heās intentionally āLying for the Lordā 
[quote=āTreebeardā]you believe in aliens and that they have/do interact with us, so your take is going to be different
this talk is about the relationship between Raelians (started by Jews) and Zionists and a top astronomer Iāve heard many times interviewed.
who knows if it can happen but there are some worthwhile tidbits of info, like I did not know Nation of Islam is big on aliens.[/quote]
Whether or not aliens are actually involved, you will hear the name āGalactic Federationā, especially from the Israelis.
[quote=āElricā]āThe biggest and fastest growing religion right now is ufologyā Huh?
āReligion. The belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or Gods.ā
Sure, people are starting to wake up to the fact that we are not alone in the Universe but that hardly qualifies that interest as a religion.
Thank goodness that he uttered such nonsense early on in the vid because it saved me 10 minutes that I wouldnāt get back.
This is the kind of bullshit thatās sprouted by Evangelical Baptists [According to that self-confessed bald faced liar Saul/Paul, itās perfectly acceptable, honourable even, to bullshit for the Lord to āfurther Gods gloryā - Rom 3:7]
He then goes on to exclaim that that cesspit of evil, the Vatican, is fighting the good fight against the anti-Christ when in fact it is the Vatican itself who is in league with the Satanic WEF globalists.
No disrespect intended towards you Tree but this bloke is either a complete and utter moron or heās intentionally āLying for the Lordā [/quote]
Keep in mind that Treeā is Catholic (a lifelong Catholic, Iām guessing) and itās perhaps not helpful to insult his religion. He is a very respectful representation of his religion because, unlike some of the crazies I have encountered online, he never tries to convince people of his beliefs. I āgetā where you are coming from (I could get into what the Church of Rome was and is) and I know you donāt āhold backā with your opinions. My approach in the question of truth, whether uncovering it or sharing my stance, is to have respect for everyone (yes, even the- what some might refer to as āevilā.) It does not mean I respect the actions and behaviour of everyone, far from it, however I do respect everyone no matter how bad their deeds. [Even people I donāt like, I do respect.) [ā¦ and so someone might say to me, āSo you are saying you respect the Pope then?ā Yes, I do, since it is my responsibility to.] For me respect is not āearnedā, it is automatically given. This is contrary to a lot of tradition(s) but let me assure you it is also the way of The Christ. Iām going off on a bit on a tangent here about respect (just sharing my perspective, take it or leave it, since it is most likely an approach that most people do not consider), and, probably, such discussion belongs in another thread.
Of course, we ought to focus on commonalities. Treeā recognises that some of us view things through āthe lens of aliensā (actually, Iāve had experiences with āthemā and to me it is not a belief [there is also stuff that can be proven but has not been for certain reasons, but now Iām going off track]; what is typically thought of as aliens are not the ones who can- or will be able to help things in this big drama, it is the metaterrestrials and ultaterrestrials that have provided the most assistance, but I digress.) In the same way, of course, I recognise that Treeā views things through the lens of his religion. Without getting into the details or listening to the video, what this thread clearly is about is a false Messiah conspiracy, and I know there has been one planned for a long time; and so we agree. That there has been MUCH deception and that there are government programs to try to convince people of an alien landing whereby aliens will pose as saviours, and that we need to guard against that and expose it, I most certainly agree. Even the real āaliensā are not going to āsave usā, and we most certainly cannot allow the false ones to pretend to.
[quote=āSky Catā] Keep in mind that Treeā is Catholic (a lifelong Catholic, Iām guessing) and itās perhaps not helpful to insult his religion. He is a very respectful representation of his religion because, unlike some of the crazies I have encountered online, he never tries to convince people of his beliefs. I āgetā where you are coming from (I could get into what the Church of Rome was and is) and I know you donāt āhold backā with your opinions. My approach in the question of truth, whether uncovering it or sharing my stance, is to have respect for everyone (yes, even the- what some might refer to as āevilā.) It does not mean I respect the actions and behaviour of everyone, far from it, however I do respect everyone no matter how bad their deeds. [Even people I donāt like, I do respect.) [ā¦ and so someone might say to me, āSo you are saying you respect the Pope then?ā Yes, I do, since it is my responsibility to.] For me respect is not āearnedā, it is automatically given. This is contrary to a lot of tradition(s) but let me assure you it is also the way of The Christ. Iām going off on a bit on a tangent here about respect (just sharing my perspective, take it or leave it, since it is most likely an approach that most people do not consider), and, probably, such discussion belongs in another thread.
Of course, we ought to focus on commonalities. Treeā recognises that some of us view things through āthe lens of aliensā (actually, Iāve had experiences with āthemā and to me it is not a belief [there is also stuff that can be proven but has not been for certain reasons, but now Iām going off track]; what is typically thought of as aliens are not the ones who can- or will be able to help things in this big drama, it is the metaterrestrials and ultaterrestrials that have provided the most assistance, but I digress.) In the same way, of course, I recognise that Treeā views things through the lens of his religion. Without getting into the details or listening to the video, what this thread clearly is about is a false Messiah conspiracy, and I know there has been one planned for a long time; and so we agree. That there has been MUCH deception and that there are government programs to try to convince people of an alien landing whereby aliens will pose as saviours, and that we need to guard against that and expose it, I most certainly agree. Even the real āaliensā are not going to āsave usā, and we most certainly cannot allow the false ones to pretend to. [/quote]
Although I am indeed a lifelong Roman Catholic, I also have plenty of exposure and some personal experience with various Protestant sects. Moreover, I have a lot of working knowledge and have studied and read and listened to a plethora of material over the decades. Anyway the point Iām trying to make is that anytime I consider information or something that CLAIMS TO BE information, or is opinion, I do not only consider it based on my own religious beliefs. I can categorize. I am open to discussion as time allows on pretty much any subject, and I enjoy posting here.
Just fantastic now I have to wait until 2035 for the end of the fucking world or aliens or something like that. Sigh.
That depends on WHO uses nukes first and how far the war goes as in what countries join and launch them to where and then where al the radiation goes.
You may see it most ANYTIME, LOL
[quote=āTreebeardā]you believe in aliens and that they have/do interact with us, so your take is going to be different
this talk is about the relationship between Raelians (started by Jews) and Zionists and a top astronomer Iāve heard many times interviewed.
who knows if it can happen but there are some worthwhile tidbits of info, like I did not know Nation of Islam is big on aliens.[/quote]
Islam is big on Aliens because the old testament YHVH was one!!
Although the group you saw is indeed Catholic (and they have a particular lean, for example that channel posts messages from seers and are believers in Medjugorje, and I am mostly skeptical about seers [although some seers have been right], and I am not disposed to accept Medjugorje as authentic, this has nothing to do with the topic of the video.
The video is talking about certain Jewish beliefs and OBJECTIVES. It also mentions the Raelian connection. Do you know anything about the Raelian Cult? The Raelian Cult has been around since the 70s. And the founder is a Jew, by ethnicity. This cult is growing still, and in a larger sense, the belief in āancient aliensā or alien seed theory etc. has grown exponentially in our lifetimes. There are real tie-ins between the Zionist objective to construct the Third Temple and the conspiracy to present aliens (as Sky said, one way or another).
So, you missed the entire point of the video. Just like youāve miscategorized Catholic beliefs and objectives. For example. When Benedict XVI talked about a global order for laws, it is to protect the poor and less powerful nations from the rapacities of unfettered oligarchy and wars. When Francis talks or writes about environmentalism, and caring for āour common homeā in his encyclical Laudato siā, or the brotherhood of man in Fratelli tutti, you might want to ask yourself if a better world which is more in-line with what God wants for us is something you want to oppose or support.
Yes, you are one open-minded, well informed and well-read guy and I am glad you do not allow your religion to get in the way of your objectivity. Itās good to have your input.
There it is, classic HardTruth
Yes, YHVH/Jehovah is an Anunnaki collective.
FYI lest ayone doubt the veracity of the video
https://forward.com/culture/film-tv/581193/rael-jewish-israel-netflix-aliens/
https://blindfolly.org/news/and-now-a-word-from-the-extraterrestrial-jews/
https://culteducation.com/group/1106-raelians/17464-clone-ranger.html
https://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/raelism.html
āThe Raelians have a particular interest in Israel because our goal is to rebuild the third temple,ā in the form of a government-sanctioned embassy for extraterrestrials.
"The RaĆ«lians believe the term Elohim was erroneously translated as God, and that it actually means āthose who came from the sky.ā
āThat embassy would become the Third Temple as predicted in the ancient scriptures.ā
[quote=āSky Catā]There it is, classic HardTruth
Yes, YHVH/Jehovah is an Anunnaki collective.[/quote]
Yep, I miss the old days of debating religion with folks.
[quote=āHardTruthā]Yep, I miss the old days of debating religion with folks.
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I totally disagree, and your statement is nothing but base hyperbole. Iām talking about biological, physical intelligent life only.
You must not make assumptions. Itās true that we arenāt aware of any, until itās not.
There are also scientists who have written about this, like Rare Earth by Peter D Ward, or Alone In The Universe by John Gribbin.
Iām not saying there is no intelligent alien life. I donāt know. I can tell you that I wonāt easily be convinced of it.
Those who expect there is, or state it as fact - are still making assumptions, and using their imagination.
[quote=āApache54ā]That depends on WHO uses nukes first and how far the war goes as in what countries join and launch them to where and then where al the radiation goes.
You may see it most ANYTIME, LOL[/quote]
I donāt know about that anymore, the likelihood of nuclear war is very low, and I donāt think anybody wants to be responsible for that so I think a lot of that stuff is just fear mongering for either clicks or views or something like that. And I donāt think itās healthy to live life in perpetual fear.
Iāll be on board with the stuff thatās factual on things that could most likely change our dynamics so much to the point weāll fucking be off. But I donāt think nuclear war is on the table. I mean unless things get very very, very dire and dark to the point some nut bag just presses the button and thatās that. I could go for some zombie apocalypse type shit though. Thatād be really cool
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Apache54 wrote:
That depends on WHO uses nukes first and how far the war goes as in what countries join and launch them to where and then where al the radiation goes.
You may see it most ANYTIME, LOL
I donāt know about that anymore, the likelihood of nuclear war is very low, and I donāt think anybody wants to be responsible for that so I think a lot of that stuff is just fear mongering for either clicks or views or something like that. And I donāt think itās healthy to live life in perpetual fear.
Iāll be on board with the stuff thatās factual on things that could most likely change our dynamics so much to the point weāll fucking be off. But I donāt think nuclear war is on the table. I mean unless things get very very, very dire and dark to the point some nut bag just presses the button and thatās that. I could go for some zombie apocalypse type shit though. Thatād be really cool
Apache says
Your correct that they do use NUKES to threaten and persuade and to use as a fear tactic, BUT do NOT underestimate many of these countries who could care les what devastation the world would realize they WILL use them when they think it is needed, that my friend is fact.
[quote=āSky Catā]Keep in mind that Treeā is Catholic (a lifelong Catholic, Iām guessing) and itās perhaps not helpful to insult his religion. He is a very respectful representation of his religion because, unlike some of the crazies I have encountered online, he never tries to convince people of his beliefs. I āgetā where you are coming from (I could get into what the Church of Rome was and is) and I know you donāt āhold backā with your opinions. My approach in the question of truth, whether uncovering it or sharing my stance, is to have respect for everyone (yes, even the- what some might refer to as āevilā.) It does not mean I respect the actions and behaviour of everyone, far from it, however I do respect everyone no matter how bad their deeds. [Even people I donāt like, I do respect.) [ā¦ and so someone might say to me, āSo you are saying you respect the Pope then?ā Yes, I do, since it is my responsibility to.] For me respect is not āearnedā, it is automatically given. This is contrary to a lot of tradition(s) but let me assure you it is also the way of The Christ. Iām going off on a bit on a tangent here about respect (just sharing my perspective, take it or leave it, since it is most likely an approach that most people do not consider), and, probably, such discussion belongs in another thread.
Of course, we ought to focus on commonalities. Treeā recognises that some of us view things through āthe lens of aliensā (actually, Iāve had experiences with āthemā and to me it is not a belief [there is also stuff that can be proven but has not been for certain reasons, but now Iām going off track]; what is typically thought of as aliens are not the ones who can- or will be able to help things in this big drama, it is the metaterrestrials and ultaterrestrials that have provided the most assistance, but I digress.) In the same way, of course, I recognise that Treeā views things through the lens of his religion. Without getting into the details or listening to the video, what this thread clearly is about is a false Messiah conspiracy, and I know there has been one planned for a long time; and so we agree. That there has been MUCH deception and that there are government programs to try to convince people of an alien landing whereby aliens will pose as saviours, and that we need to guard against that and expose it, I most certainly agree. Even the real āaliensā are not going to āsave usā, and we most certainly cannot allow the false ones to pretend to.[/quote]
Thank you for sharing SC. You must know by now that I respect your opinion and that also, I donāt intentionally go out of my way to insult others [Well, on the rare occasion when I do, then itās fairly obvious where Iām going . . . . 
]
Tree is extremely well read, especially where it pertains to history and I not only respect his opinion but also very much appreciate Tree sharing his deep knowledge on the subject.
You are quite correct that I ādonāt hold backā that I simply see as ātelling it how it isā, just calling a spade a spade. 
Itās not that I mean to be insensitive, itās how Iām built, just being myself.
Iād be quite surprised if Tree was not aware that the Vatican has been corrupted [big time]
The last well intentioned Pope [IMO - not that Iām an expert on the subject] was murdered by elements within the Vatican after John Paul II announced that he was intending to remove the head of the Vatican Bank [who were rumoured to be laundering dirty money for the mafia and other criminals] and go through the bank like a dose of salts.
Not that I intend to get into a debate on the subject. Iād certainly hate to cause division here like what happened at BTF [not that Iām comparing Tree to that clique of narrow-minded airheads headed by Sami]
One of the things that hurt and disappointed me the most when I went through my spiritual awakening was the loss of my Christian friends and the fellowship of others who had a similar upbringing as myself. But as you can most likely imagine, I donāt know how to censor myself and the pastors of the two churches that Iād been attending did not appreciate me sharing any little gem that I discovered [In their eyes I went from being a ātrue man of Godā {their words} to being āled astrayā by that Devil fella {whispered behind my back of course, never to my face }]
So I can certainly understand why someone would stay with the church and the spiritual environment that they grew up in and that which is familiar to them.
I simply couldnāt because I donāt know how to keep my mouth shut when I have a pertinent point to make.
Anyhoo Iāll keep what you said in mind
[quote=āTreebeardā]@Elric
Although the group you saw is indeed Catholic (and they have a particular lean, for example that channel posts messages from seers and are believers in Medjugorje, and I am mostly skeptical about seers [although some seers have been right], and I am not disposed to accept Medjugorje as authentic, this has nothing to do with the topic of the video.
The video is talking about certain Jewish beliefs and OBJECTIVES. It also mentions the Raelian connection. Do you know anything about the Raelian Cult? The Raelian Cult has been around since the 70s. And the founder is a Jew, by ethnicity. This cult is growing still, and in a larger sense, the belief in āancient aliensā or alien seed theory etc. has grown exponentially in our lifetimes. There are real tie-ins between the Zionist objective to construct the Third Temple and the conspiracy to present aliens (as Sky said, one way or another).
So, you missed the entire point of the video. Just like youāve miscategorized Catholic beliefs and objectives. For example. When Benedict XVI talked about a global order for laws, it is to protect the poor and less powerful nations from the rapacities of unfettered oligarchy and wars. When Francis talks or writes about environmentalism, and caring for āour common homeā in his encyclical Laudato siā, or the brotherhood of man in Fratelli tutti, you might want to ask yourself if a better world which is more in-line with what God wants for us is something you want to oppose or support.[/quote]
Well of course I āmissed the entire point of the videoā since I didnāt persevere through to the end
Iām fully aware that Iām a touch allergic to religious nonsense [not that Iām saying that the vid is nonsense since I didnāt watch the whole thing] and am a touch reactive to what I perceive as nonsense [Yeah I know, Iāve got to work on that]
FTR as I wrote in my reply to SC it was not my intent to be disrespectful towards your beliefs.
Since Iāve got a busy day ahead Iāll have to watch the vid in its entirety tonight or tomorrow and get back to you on it.
āWhat God wantsā is an entire discussion within itself and yes, I do have an opinion to share on that topic but it will have to wait . . . . yep, Iām sure that youāll be waiting on the edge of your seat in a state of excited anticipation . . . .
