Saul/Paul; A Messenger of God or a Fraud?

[Elric]

Catholic and Protestant doctrine is known as Pauline Theology [As opposed to Johannite Theology] because doctrine is based on Saul/Pauls writings.

So who was Saul/Paul?

He was a Jew who held Roman citizenship.

He actually worked for the Romans so he was a traitor to his own people. He also persecuted the early Christians.

In fact Saul/Paul was travelling to Damascus to deliver a Roman order to arrest Christians there when he claimed to have had a miraculous conversion when the ‘resurrected’ Jesus spoke to him.

Ever since I was a kid I had issues with this story.

Like all Biblical stories about goat herders interactions with ‘the Lord’ and ‘God’, I often wondered what made them so special? Why has not God shown himself or spoken to any of us since?

Off course the adults assured me that was because one ‘must have faith’, without which one would go to ‘the bottom pit of Hell’. How is that even fair? Why was the same not expected of the goat herders then?

Why does God not treat us all equally?

The weekly prayer in church that said in part “Though I am unworthy to eat the crumbs under Thy table” certainly did nothing to help my belief that God treated us with a contemptuous attitude.

We are expected to take the word of a Roman sympathiser who worked against his own people that the ‘resurrected’ Jesus chose Saul/Paul to be his Apostle. Sure he did.

Why would not God at least choose a man that displayed moral integrity, someone who had the respect and admiration of his peers? Why did He/She choose to pick a grub instead?

Saul/Paul admits that he had not ever met Rabbi Jesus in real life and even more astoundingly he admits that he had no idea of the Rabbis teachings.

That’s why he just made shit up.

Saul/Paul ADMITS that he’s a bald faced liar but that’s perfectly acceptable apparently.

He was called out as a liar so often that he felt the need to justify his bald-faced lies by saying that ‘lying for the Lord’ is a good thing if it “furthers Gods glory”.

In-other-words Saul/Paul is saying that the ends justifies the means. Ugh.

The Rabbis students were so outraged at Saul/Pauls misrepresentation of the Rabbis teachings that they confronted him demanding that he ‘cease and desist’.

This is WHY Saul/Paul fled to Greece where they loved a ripping good yarn about Sons of God [There were plenty of Sons of Gods at the time] who had supernatural powers.

It’s been said that since Saul/Paul was in Greece he felt the need to fictionalise the Rabbis ‘miracles’ to make his ‘Son of God’ more powerful than other competing Sons of God.

Johannite Theology is Christian doctrine according to John as practiced by the Cathars.

John not only was a close friend of Rabbi Jesus but he also studied at the Rabbis feet.

Saul/Paul did not know the Rabbi from a bar of soap and admits to being ignorant of his teachings.

One was an honest man who knew the Rabbi personally.

The other an obvious fraud.

Which leads to an obvious question; why on earth would the church choose the latters’ version?

Johannite theology makes way more sense than the Pauline version.

The Cathars were a peaceful people. Despite not being evangelical [rather they chose to live by the edict "live your life like a shining light’ to attract converts] they were becoming quite popular and were gaining converts.

The RCC did not like that so Pope Innocent III embarked on a 20 year campaign against the Cathars.

Pope Innocent told his army that as Gods representative on Earth, they were absolved of any crime they committed against these peaceful people who offered little resistance.

The Popes army raped and slaughtered men, women, children and babies. No one was offered any mercy.

The Albigensian Crusade was one of the most violent and reprehensible campaigns against innocents in the churches history.

These were the very same people who compiled the Bible from numerous sources and constructed Christian doctrine and who’ve been messing with it ever since.

Books were removed in their entirety, often based on a whim.

There’s over 14,800 CHANGES between the early Sinai Bible and the KJV alone.

Hardly what I’d call reliable that does not support the claim that "every word’ was “inspired by the Holy Ghost”.

[Uncle_Thanky]

@Elric us

Which leads to an obvious question; why on earth would the church choose the latters’ version?

Take over from within, just like THEY are doing to the world today.

You got more on the “Johannite Theology”?

Excellent post!

That’s the main reason that We are an OT Primitive Fundamentalist.

[Unknown]

I have been watching for this thread as not only did you promise it but you have a drive and commitment to ‘set the record straight’… from your perspective/ revelation. That interests me and from what you have said to this point, I only ask for your reference links.

Regarding the RCC, my opinion is that this institution is corrupt to the gills and this latest kook is nothing short of the false prophet who ushers in the Obomination of Desolation.

God works in strange ways, He does so as to cover His tracks, so that we exercise our faith wholly from the heart. Could it be that Paul was called up to the plate even though he has a shocking batting average but on the day he has a blitz?

Jesus was an historic figure, Josephus and Pilate wrote of him, not to mention the date is referenced to His ‘birth’..or thereabouts. He must be the most well know figure in history, but least understood. It was Jesus who specified that He must leave before the Holy Spirit could take His place as a guide and advocate. By saying this, He indicated that the HS is a separate entity to Himself. (in the 3D plane)

There is ample evidence that the KJV bible was edited with certain books removed. This alone indicates that there was a desire to censor in order to deceive. Also, the language presents many and varied interpretations when in translation. Even the context can be misinterpreted due to cultural differences.

To be fair, I was raised RCC (school, church, home life) but saw enough to cut loose and cause havoc. I rebelled against the hypocrisy I witnessed and went off the beam because of it. In recent years I have found that our link to Source does not require indoctrination and our thoughts, words and actions speak from the heart and help for when we fall is just a shout away.

[Elric]

“reference links” @42 ? Books. Many many books.

One of my favourites is Tony Bushbys The Bible Fraud.

A brilliantly researched book [the apologists HATE Bushby and his revelations with a vengeance]

Jesus the Man by theologian and Uni lecturer Barbara Thiering, aleading world authority on the Dead Sea Scrolls, is another. Apologists also love to rubbish her for the same reasons.

Not that I agree with all of her theories. Despite her works that casts an entirely new light on the New Testament, Thiering still considered herself a Christian nonetheless.

The church and apologists rubbished her as they do to anyone who contradicts the churches latest version of reality.

For that reason alone, ignore the apologists dishonest ‘reviews’ and read the books themselves to make up your own mind. [Jesus the Man is a free PDF download IIRC]

Here’s the thing about Jesus as an “historic figure”.

Not a single contemporary historian - and there were a heap of them in NT times - did not bother to mention any man named Jesus, his supernatural ‘miracles’, nor a single word written about any crucifixion for religious reasons, which should have been huge news simply because Jews were stoned to death for religious crimes like blasphemy.

The Romans kept out of the Jews religious business. They reserved crucifixion for civil crimes and crimes against the Romans themselves.

Josephus was not even alive during Jesus lifetime. Hardly what one could call a reliable source.

In actual fact, outside of the Bible there’s not a single witness to Jesus having existed nor the crucifixion.

The “Holy Spirit” being a “separate entity” to Jesus? Not according to the church of course.

According to the Bible itself, Jesus not once claimed to be God.

A group of men who had not ever met Jesus, conjured up the Holy Trinity concept hundreds of years after the event when they decided that Jesus was a liar when they declared his divinity.

Although Jesus and the Bible was bashed into me from birth by my ultra-religious parents, I never felt any connection to the Rabbi.

From my earliest memories I’ve sensed the presence of spirits. As a result I was terrified of the dark.

My lay-preacher father took that as a sign that the Devil guy and his demonic horde were on my case and there was only one cure for that, regular thrashings with whatever weapon of pain my father had at hand [by around 11yo the ignorant fuckwit was flogging me with an electrical extension cord that he doubled over]

At around 6-7yo I wholeheartedly believed in Jesus, when I recall begging him in prayer to intervene, that he show my father that how he treated me was rather fucked-up.

My father must have overheard my pleas to Jesus because he stepped the floggings up a gear for my efforts.

Jesus was as useless to me as tits on a bull. Impotent to help even a little kid in his time of need. From that time on I never prayed to Jesus again.

Church doctrine and the Bible [which theologians admit is not historically accurate] was developed by immoral men who introduced fear into doctrine as a means to control the masses. 'Do as we say ’ [not as we do] ‘give us your money, or your loving God will throw you to the Devil guy for eternal torment’.

[Unknown]

Thank you for your thoughtful and honest reply Elric.. also for the reference material which I would like to investigate for myself.

There is so many versions of God, to the point of an atheist, who attests to none at all. It is interesting that mathematics has proof of just that, that everything is nothing and vice-versa…well geometric proof at least. I will look for the video that uses polynomials to demonstrate the notion.

I had a strict upbringing from the earliest age I can remember (maybe 3yo) I would get whipped into line. No tantrums, else..whack. I might have been a prisoner in a previous life, but I remember I was the escape artist al la Houdini and break out of any corral my parent put me in. Then when they found me, sometimes up to a kilometer from home…whack, whack. It just made me more determined to be a full time rebel, which naturally came in my teens and well, shit oh dear, lets not discuss those times!!

I also found the treatment to be cruel and unnecessary, to the point that it actually made me a rebel against society..right up to today LOL. However the reasons to be rebellious are free, especially in todays bs world.

On subject, you say that your calls for help went to the wrong dude and further revenge metered out for bothering to ask in the first place. I am sorry Elric, but your father was a sadist or like many of the time, a pisshead, who allowed the alcohol to govern his disposition. I had a good mate who loaned me $5 to buy my first m/c, a seized Bridgestone 90. His old man found out and bashed him black and blue. I have a pic somewhere of us in the days following , him with a swollen head and two black eyes. Fuck, I returned the fiver the following day. It was that this guy was a seasoned drunk and I saw his fury on a number of occasions over the years. Do you want to know the worst of it, the son turned out just like his fuckwit father. Sad shit!

I can also understand why in your despair, help did not arrive and that you would lose faith in the benevolence of God on those grounds alone and that you would seek out other more favourable faiths in which to place your trust.

My own faith is in God, I believe that Jesus did walk this earth and that he was responsible for much of the language of the NT. The very fact that we record the year as 2022 relates to none other than Jesus. I KNOW <point blank> that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are individual entities and yet one with God the Father. This is not a problem for God to achieve, if He orchestrated everything from the galaxies to the magic of the DNA molecule.

How do I KNOW? There are many stories, but the one in 2003 was the one that said ‘sit up and pay attention’. Long story, but a mates small baby (6mths) was dying of a liver disease, we (friends/family) formed a committee and set up an auction day for donated goods to assist them with funds (rent/ car had just blown a head gasket and was necessary for the trips to hospital). We advertised on radio and the donated gifts started to flow in and in, and in and where we gunna put all this stuff. (real quality stuff). The day went off like I have never before witnessed, withing a few hours the auction was over 20K and the money just kept flowing, people handing over 1K cash..not one, not two and not a bid..a gift. The atmosphere was brimming with happiness and unbridled joy, it was unbelivable..I could feel the generosity and good will. But that was not the thing that made me pay attention, although as I said, it was an amazing atmosphere on the day.

It was soon after the auction day that the hospital phoned to say that they had a donor liver (sectioned) for the young lad. The call came in about 9PM Thursday evening and the dad phoned me to say that they were packing the car for the journey. I asked him to keep me up to date on his progress as I knew this was a major op for a tiny lad. I (and I do believe a lot of others) offered prayers for a successful transplant. That following day a few of us went off to see the Mel Gibson movie “The Passion of Christ”, which I found a bit gory, but well produced. I was sitting with my daughter and asked her the time at the point in the movie where Jesus was dying (It is done). it happened to be 3PM. I thought, wait, isn’t that the actual time recorded in scripture as to His final breath? I also happened to be Good Friday.. hmm, mere coincidence.

I heard word back from the dad Sunday PM who was jumping for joy. He said the operation began 5AM the Fri morn and he was wheeled out of OR at 3PM having the wound left open while monitoring for organ rejection. Naturally the child was in an induced coma. He said that on the Sunday they found they could close up, as the organ was well adapted and working a treat (the poor kid was no longer yellow), whereas normally it would be seven to ten days in coma.

Thurs evening 9PM was the Last Supper. 5AM Fri morn, arrest in the garden. 3PM Fri.. I was watching Jesus in the cinema and the lad was wheeled out of OR. On the Sunday they closed up. The boy has had little problem with rejection and is now 19 and loves martial arts. The boys name is Judah.

Many people were praying for the lad and the prayers were heard..with, as far as I am concerned, confirmation of intervention.

As to the subject at hand, I will investigate the literature that you suggested and I will see if I can find that polynomial vid to post up.

[Elric]

No my father was not a drinker. Never heard him utter a single swear word. As straight as they come.

What happened to me is not that uncommon; more likely to happen in a large religious family where one of the children is singled out as the ‘bad one’.

The mother allows it by convincing herself that the child is deserving of outrageous abuse as a means to protect the rest of her offspring.

My father is/was an intolerant, ultra-religious fuckwit who believed in the proverbial ‘angry, vengeful, jealous, violent’ God who will one day bring down his wrath on all ‘sinners’.

To give an example; once I was flogged for “Attempting to compromise anothers faith” when I asked what happens to good Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus etc who had not ever heard of Jesus. That day he had delivered the Sunday morning sermon at church.

Preaches to the congregation then flogs his son because he was unable to answer a simple question. [This is probably why I don’t hold back to spare religious sensitivities. I simply tell it how I see it]

When I finally stood up to the turd I was only 5’2" - although he’s 6’ and solid I’d had enough. I told him if he still felt the need to inflict physical harm on me then we should go outside so I could at least “have a go”. All those years of abuse had built up I guess and I was so furious that I was ready to try and rip his head off. He locked himself in his bedroom the fucking coward.

Two weeks later I was thrown onto the streets at 15yo.

Not that I realised it at the time but by 18yo I was over 6’ tall and rather fit from working as a brickies labourer and training, the weak prick was quite frightened of me. A coward dies a thousand deaths in his own mind.

Serves him right as he deserved no less.

My childhood experience proved that praying to Jesus was wasted effort. He was useless to me after that.

From then on my prayers went to God.

There are no contemporary accounts of Jesus; outside of the Bible he simply did not exist. May as well pray to Mickey Mouse.

According to the NT, Jesus had no time for Gentiles. “I come not to destroy the Law” [Jewish law] “but to fulfil”.

Jesus was a Jew through and through. He ordered his followers NOT to create any religion in his name because that would be blasphemous to any Rabbi.

The power of prayer comes from within. When focused prayer is held by a group, it’s even more effective.

I’ve seen this energy at work within a spirit circle.

Prayer works regardless of religious beliefs. It’s the belief in the power of prayer itself.

As children of a loving God, we do not need any intermediary.

Corrupt immoral men came up with the Trinity and Saviour nonsense.

As Pope Leo X chortled “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us.” [The RCC does not deny this quote, they simply pretend that Leo meant other than what he said]

And old Leo was correct. The RCC has done rather well for itself.

[Unknown]

Dude, I am sorry that you had to suffer such terrors as a child, where the impressions of life begin in the family home. I neither wish to denigrate your father as that makes me judgemental, which I wish to avoid. My observations of drunken ‘fathers’ has set in my own mind that they are all disciplinarians. By your terminology, I assume my comments were not offensive, however if so I apologize. I also feel that people who go down the path of corporal punishments, especially for children, are making a rod for their own back. I always disciplined my own children, I was firm, serious and often loud, but never whacked them in anger. I would send them to their room to stew on why I was upset with them and then go in and CALMLY talk it over, make my point and give them a hug. I would reiterate that I take the hard line because I love them. We are now in senior years and all of the children care deeply for our health and future, which is consoling and in which we are thankful…to God!

It was the guidance of the Holy Spirit in our family life that created a happy environment. We were blessed with healthy and intelligent kids who gave us everything a parent could ask. The children were eager to please and they all did well in school and subsequent life. We never spoilt them with money, trinkets or games consoles, we did read them scripture and taught them to offer grace before a meal as a means of remembering that the food is not to be taken for granted and not to be wasted.

I agree with you in that a relationship with God is personal, no need for denominational angst or for that matter, the type of faith adherence that is expected by organised religion. I know of several Catholic families in town who all have jumped in and accepted the poison on the basis of what that false prophet whore hey bergoglio has advised his precious flock. Same too with Muslims, they are advised by the Muftis to roll up.

And you are also correct in saying that these fucking lowlife scum parading as men of God, are hypocrites to the teeth. Kiddy diddlers and greedy hoarders of worthless dross. They will be judged for all they have done. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe in a vengeful God, quite the contrary. It is our path through ill intent, avarice and ego that man has fallen into the pit.

By the same token, had you not been thrown out on your ear at 15, you may not have sought a life of your own choosing and developed the faith that you have found to be fulfilling.

Same with Saul/ Paul, there is no doubting that there is considerable texts/ letters attributed to him that have survived the eons up to today and point the way for a ‘change’ a coming. Had he not written the letters is, for me, immaterial as the message is loud and clear. Paul, Saul, Barry Manilow, I care not, it is the truth in the words that is undeniable.

[Elric]

Yeah thanks. We choose our circumstances before we incarnate.

Several of the 15 past lives I’ve seen I was a clergymen in various ranks and I even lived a life as a nun.

It’s clear to me that I chose my circumstances because it had to be harsh to give me the opportunity to break free from religious indoctrination.

My younger brother was daddys little darling. Never a bad word said to him much less a hand raised in anger.

He’s just like my father, fat, bald, angry, intolerant, judgemental, wilfully ignorant and intolerably religious. That’s his ‘reward’ for receiving my fathers love.

Me? I’m so relieved that that’s not me.

What I endured was a blessing by comparison. My rewards are awaiting me.

Anyone who thinks physical punishment is a good idea should not have children.

All I mostly ever had to do was give my boy a look. Only had to bark at him a couple of times. It’s a respect thing. If one does not give respect then one does not deserve respect. A parent needs to lead by example.

Like the rare times where I would have to say “Do I speak to you like that?” “No dad” . . . . “Sorry dad”.

Muslims? Allah is a demon.

Here is what that great man Sir Winston had to say about the inbred hoard.

Anyone who believes in ‘moderate muslims’ need to read the koran and see for themselves why there could be no such thing as a moderate.

What else explains why over 95% of terrorist attacks are by muslims? It’s what the koran commands.

[Unknown]

On the subject of Allah. The God of Islam is the God of Judaism, is the God of Christianity..as there is only ONE God!

The writings (or verbalizations as he was illiterate) of Muhammad are where the fabrications and intolerance originate.

Same as Christianity saw to selectively hone the bible to their disposed aims, however muted, the Word is clear and concise.

GOD IS LOVE… not a vengeful God.

My mother lost dad in 2000, she survived him by fifteen years and in that time grieved his loss as her love for him was yearning for return. She called me into her room Jan 2015, asked me to set on the bed and she held my hand. She said that she was scared. I asked how so? She said that she was scared of death. I explained to her that there is nothing to fear and that to reflect on the love she had for her husband, the years of yearning and loneliness without him, how it strengthened that love beyond marriage and a life together. Then I said that Gods love for us is 1000x more powerful and that Jesus, dad, her parents, sister and my brother would be there to greet her, indeed, celebrate her when the time arrives to move out of this life. She died peacefully in the early hours the following morning.

Our primary mission here, specifically in relation to each other, is not to judge but to forgive. Read what Jesus wrote in the dust before the crowds who called for the adulterous womans stoning. (John 8). It was not the words he spoke that made the accusers scarper, as they were in line with what the Mosaic law stated, it was what He wrote in the dust at their feet. Mene mene tekel upharsin (numbered numbered weighed and divided.. Dan 5)

Whenever we fuck up, we look for the forgiveness of others and are repulsed by their judgement… sometimes to suicide. We must apply this principle of forgiveness across the board else we too are complicit with the accusers and will be weighed and found lacking.

[Elric]

Yes there is one God regardless of the appellation but Allah is not one of them.

The Divine would not condone cold-blooded murder, rape, paedophilia, theft, lying nor the domination of others by any means necessary.

There’s a reason why most Islamic countries are repressive shitholes still stuck in the Dark Ages.

Islam has not contributed a single positive thing to humanity in it’s entire existence.

Islam is a mental disease.

The DS/Elites and their useful Stupids are using muslims to destroy Christianity.

Nice story.

For a time I volunteered talking with the terminally ill [Until the hospitals new chaplain had me banned because I, in his ignorant opinion, was “leading others astray”. These were patients who all explicitly said that they did not want to speak to “Bible bashers”]

It gave me much satisfaction relieving these patients from fear of the unknown.

It’s why I enjoy helping others see their past lives because that proves to them that we survive physical death.

Forgiveness is something that I see quite differently than the religious perspective.

To be given the opportunity to forgive, one must first receive forgiveness.

No one has ever admitted they did anything wrong much less offer me an apology. Most would try to justify their actions.

If asked today my father for example, would say that I deserved the floggings because I had “the Devil” in me.

It means that he’s not learnt a thing and would do the same thing over.

That does not warrant nor deserve forgiveness.

Having said that, I let go off my rage many years ago [that’s what triggered my awakening - letting go] I don’t hate those who’ve done me harm, I pity them. Holding onto the pain only continues the hurt. Letting go is the most important step of the healing process.

No way could I live with myself if I’d ever intentionally harmed a child or harmed any innocent for that matter.

Yes, there’s more than a few things that I cringe at the memory. Thoughtlessness mostly.

Those I really hurt were bad men who gave me no choice, so meh.

Judgement. Yes. It’s been said that mans judgement of his fellow man is the root cause of much of the evil on this planet.

Hard for me to disagree.

One of my golden ‘rules’ is If it does no harm to others, do as you will.

If ones actions does cause harm to others, what then?

There’s a fine line between judgement and calling a spade a spade.

When it comes to protecting the innocent [including our fauna and flora] then I’ll err on the side of the innocents every time.

Maybe there’s such a thing therefore as righteous judgement? Let’s hope so.

[Unknown]

I feel your empathy for the innocent and downtrodden, I understand your attitude that if another cause harm, you would rather step up to the plate and go into bat for the underdog than standby like a limp lemming. What level of intervention is acceptable and what can be held against you in a court of law. This is the problem we face, you stand up like a man and get beat down like a flea in litigation.

The purpose of this life, imho, is to learn to love. It’s an uphill battle when it seems nobody else gives a shit and will walk all over you given the chance. Turn the other cheek…well if that ain’t the darnedest. I was out with my wife and friends having a few kool-aids at the local and an amazing young band was playing great originals so we all got up to dance.. as you do when you are zooming on super 98 octane. I went up to the bar to get a round and some dude came up to my face and said that he disapproved of my dancing style… or 'you dance like a cock" to which I repiled, you should hear me crow. I apologized for my having fun with my wife and offered to buy the guy a beer..not that he needed one. His face started to contort with rage and I thought, that it was on, however out of nowhere came the bouncer who flicked the guy out the door. Name of the band..The Mundanes (from Canberra).

On the subject of forgiveness, if ones holds it as a prime objective in the heart, no incident will ever befall you. Indeed, it is part of the test toward the lesson of learning to love, for how can one love without first learning to forgive?

[Unknown]

Great thread!
There is so much to learn from the Bible.
I like to read and interpret it to my way of thinking in many cases.

[Elric]

“Turn the other cheek”? @42 ?

That quote does not ring true to me. Never has.

It’s my suspicion that that’s something that was inserted in the Bible by the early church hierarchy.

Only those with bad intentions would expect good people to take abuse on the chin. [We’re seeing this exact thing today with the death-jab mandates. ‘Do as you’re told. Don’t question’]

Turning the other cheek only encourages weak men to continue their abuse.

I detest bullies.

Like the example you gave; that dickhead was looking to pick a blue. Can’t stand weak pricks.

Good to hear that the bouncer was paying attention.

Around thirty years ago a mate was in a similar position when out drinking with his GF and a mate and his girl at Jacksons on George St.

Some dickhead was trying to pick a fight with my mates friend. The bouncer kicked the guy out.

They forgot all about him. A few hours later when they left the bar, the dickhead was waiting outside.

Carls mate had had enough and said ‘Come on then’.

He dropped the dickhead with one punch, hitting his head on the pavement killing him instantly.

The last I heard, Carls mate was lingering in Long Bay Gaol awaiting trial.

[Unknown]

My 2 cents is that many words were deciphered with regards to the people who deciphered and their influence sometimes over rode what the word actually was or was interpreted to mean.

Thus injecting their opinion and not exactly as read or deciphered.

[Unknown]

Elric, Carls mate did the wrong thing, had he walked away he would still be free and the other guy still alive. I understand the bravado, the don’t back down mantra of the Aussie bloke, but in the scheme of things…just turn it around. Have you ever been a dickhead (pissed) and carried on the raw prawn over some crap that has cause others to shun you? Fuck I have. Once composed I thought..hmm, someone had the right to deck me for being a dickhead, but was it me? In all instances, I have been drunk, blotto, stunned mullet and some other entity had control of my words and deeds. Blinded..literally. And what my first reaction was after realizing the folly of my ways, was that I should apologize and thereby save face..to some extent.

The OT teaches an eye for an eye, the NT teaches love your enemy. Those notions are diametrically opposed. When you love your enemy, there is none.

Apache54, you are correct in saying that the books have been trimmed and aligned as tools to coerce the unsuspecting adherent to a particular faith and/ or mentality. The JW’s have altered specific references that indicate the divinity of Jesus. The original translation itself is vulnerable to contextual errors, but the message remains as one of hope and salvation…imho.

[Unknown]

[quote=“42 useri”]Elric, Carls mate did the wrong thing, had he walked away he would still be free and the other guy still alive. I understand the bravado, the don’t back down mantra of the Aussie bloke, but in the scheme of things…just turn it around. Have you ever been a dickhead (pissed) and carried on the raw prawn over some crap that has cause others to shun you? Fuck I have. Once composed I thought..hmm, someone had the right to deck me for being a dickhead, but was it me? In all instances, I have been drunk, blotto, stunned mullet and some other entity had control of my words and deeds. Blinded..literally. And what my first reaction was after realizing the folly of my ways, was that I should apologize and thereby save face..to some extent.

The OT teaches an eye for an eye, the NT teaches love your enemy. Those notions are diametrically opposed. When you love your enemy, there is none.

Apache54, you are correct in saying that the books have been trimmed and aligned as tools to coerce the unsuspecting adherent to a particular faith and/ or mentality. The JW’s have altered specific references that indicate the divinity of Jesus. The original translation itself is vulnerable to contextual errors, but the message remains as one of hope and salvation…imho.[/quote]

Yes indeed, they have not been able to change that as of yet.

[Unknown]

Not for those who see past the veil.

What hope does this planet offer the upcoming generations? Dwindling resources, overcrowding, out of control pollution, energy deficiencies, food and potable water limitations, war, hatred, anachy… or a rosy future with AI in command and humans mere slaves for nothing more than the right to exist.

Nothing that man has to offer is attracting me to put in (produce/ perform) for the sake of the economy. Tax is slavery, this place is suppose to be for the free roaming spirit not a slave to the system. Besides, the imbeciles in charge mismanage that same economy to either line their own pockets or as in times like this, effectively crash the system as they dish out support packages to compensate business losses that will close regardless.

Futility!!!

The path forward from here remains in the lessons to the churches written down and preserved sufficiently to see that what is happening has been predicted and it ain’t good. The glimmer of hope rests in the light that falls through the cracks in their demonic facade, that tells us help is on the way.

[Elric]

[quote=“42 useri”]Elric, Carls mate did the wrong thing, had he walked away he would still be free and the other guy still alive. I understand the bravado, the don’t back down mantra of the Aussie bloke, but in the scheme of things…just turn it around. Have you ever been a dickhead (pissed) and carried on the raw prawn over some crap that has cause others to shun you? Fuck I have. Once composed I thought..hmm, someone had the right to deck me for being a dickhead, but was it me? In all instances, I have been drunk, blotto, stunned mullet and some other entity had control of my words and deeds. Blinded..literally. And what my first reaction was after realizing the folly of my ways, was that I should apologize and thereby save face..to some extent.

The OT teaches an eye for an eye, the NT teaches love your enemy. Those notions are diametrically opposed. When you love your enemy, there is none.

Apache54, you are correct in saying that the books have been trimmed and aligned as tools to coerce the unsuspecting adherent to a particular faith and/ or mentality. The JW’s have altered specific references that indicate the divinity of Jesus. The original translation itself is vulnerable to contextual errors, but the message remains as one of hope and salvation…imho.[/quote]

According to Carl, his mate walked away several times before the dickhead was bounced.

When the dickhead came at him as they walked outside, his mate did not have any other option but to defend himself.

Clear cut case of self-defence but because his mate could not afford a good lawyer nor the hefty bail, he was put in Long Bays remand centre.

Lost contact with Carl and not ever heard the outcome but I suspect that his mate would have escaped punishment.

[Elric]

[quote=“42 useri”]Elric, Carls mate did the wrong thing, had he walked away he would still be free and the other guy still alive. I understand the bravado, the don’t back down mantra of the Aussie bloke, but in the scheme of things…just turn it around. Have you ever been a dickhead (pissed) and carried on the raw prawn over some crap that has cause others to shun you? Fuck I have. Once composed I thought..hmm, someone had the right to deck me for being a dickhead, but was it me? In all instances, I have been drunk, blotto, stunned mullet and some other entity had control of my words and deeds. Blinded..literally. And what my first reaction was after realizing the folly of my ways, was that I should apologize and thereby save face..to some extent.

The OT teaches an eye for an eye, the NT teaches love your enemy. Those notions are diametrically opposed. When you love your enemy, there is none.

.[/quote]

Before I learnt not to mix drinks and stick to spirits in my youth, I was a dopey drunk.

Beer especially makes me a dopey drunk. But, I’m a happy drunk.

There’s only two occasions where I was totally smashed and acted way inappropriately.

From then on, I swore to myself that if I didn’t learn to handle my grog then I wouldn’t drink at all.

When I stuck to bourbon and coke, often with a Sambucca to sip on, then I was fine. I’d often drink a bottle of bourbon at a party or BBQ.

Unless you knew me, you wouldn’t know that I was drunk.

Around once a month I’d end up at Kings Cross to kick on. At least a few times a year I’d have an epic 24 hour binge. 32 hours was my record. [I was fine until I stopped drinking, lol] Never got into trouble when I went in alone.

Several years ago I stopped drinking. Not out of choice. A beer or two with a meal is fine but my guts can no longer handle spirits or liqueurs. Sigh.

[Unknown]

Drinking is a disease that is difficult to throw. It generally leads to health complications and violent altercations. My friend has been a binger for many years and slowly got sicker and sicker until they had to remove 75% of his liver. A second chance. He is back on the juice, can’t escape it. I told him to make a will and leave me his Duke..which he can’t ride because he is always pissed. Three of his friends recently passed away from alcohol complications.

I like beer, I did the spirit run in my early days and tequila was his name. That shit did immeasurable damage. However, over the last decade I have suffered gout and it stems from the dehydrating effects of alcohol. I found that drinking water instead of beer has solved the problem. I don’t really miss it, every now and then I partake.

I worked in a brain research establishment and one of the profs gave me the heads up about alcohol. He showed me photographs of brain slices, some from teetotalers and some from alcoholics. The difference was stark. The alcoholics were devoid of a great portion of the cerebellum. Apparently, one schooner of full strength alcohol (5%) will permanently kill off around 50K brain cells. Is it any wonder why seasoned alcoholics have difficultly stringing a sentence together? …and lucky we have trillions to go around.